Developing the Estonian e-Residency programme, with Ülane Vilumets

Today we explore how the digital nature of Estonia's business and government technology has led the world, in extending these services of business owners from anywhere. 

Ülane Vilumets and her team support the e-residency services marketplace, and the increasingly global network of e-resident businesses it serves - from solopreneurs to high-growth startups, who are part of a unique global community.

You can learn more and subscribe to the e-residency newsletter, at https://www.e-resident.gov.ee/

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Transcript

Ülane Vilumets


Speaker B: Today we bring you an interview with Ulana Villametz, who is the team lead in business development for the Eresidency Department in the government of Estonia.

Speaker B: Now, she is far from my typical image of a government employee and Ulana has personal background as an entrepreneur and business owner herself, which is invaluable when she comes to supporting EResidents and helping them navigate the extensive ecosystem of support and services that they have in the Eresidency marketplace.

Speaker B: And in this conversation we explore much that's unique about the digital governance systems in Estonia and I learned about the way Eresidency extends that offer to bring similar benefits to freelancers all over the world.

Speaker B: We dig in a bit to who Erresidents are, whether there is such a thing as a typical Eresident and all the different kinds of businesses and services they're offering and that Eresidency supports them in providing.

Speaker B: I found this interview really insightful in terms of understanding the business atmosphere and culture in Estonia itself, as well as how the Eresidency program fits into a growing range of digital residency programs emerging around the world post COVID.

Speaker B: So I'm sure you're going to enjoy this one.

Speaker A: So, Ulana, it's lovely to have you with us at the Future Is Freelance.

Speaker A: Thank you for joining us.

Speaker A: I know that you are the team lead in business development at the Estonian Eresidency Department and I want to hear all about that in just a minute.

Speaker A: But I'd love to know a little bit more about your background first, particularly as you are supporting freelancers and entrepreneurs in your role.

Speaker A: How did you get here on your own personal entrepreneurial journey?

Speaker C: Actually, maybe a small story to tell you.

Speaker C: When I was 23 and straight out of university, then instead of starting to find a real job, I actually registered the company just in case, because it's so easy in Estonia and I figured that maybe a company or a team does not need me full time, but maybe they'll have a good project that I could do.

Speaker C: So I registered a company just in case to be able to actually take on these projects as a freelancer and do this in a very flexible way for myself.

Speaker C: I have had a company for a very long time, but for the last ten to twelve years I actually, I ran my own business and that was now a freelance business.

Speaker C: It was a business with actually in one I had 50 guides across Baltics and Central Europe because we were doing small groups, different day trips to beautiful scenic places outside of the cities.

Speaker C: So we took people on tours.

Speaker C: And then for seven years, I also built a travel platform which was called like, Local, which basically gave you the advice of local community.

Speaker C: So, like, when you go to, let's say, Paris, you don't go to the obvious very touristy places, but instead you can see what somebody who lives in a city like, what do they recommend?

Speaker A: Brilliant.

Speaker A: Okay, well, that sounds like the perfect background for supporting new freelancers and entrepreneurs in the Estonian Eresidency program.

Speaker A: So let's back up a little bit.

Speaker A: And for anybody who's not presently an Eresident or is still doing their research into the program, can you summarize it in a nutshell what it is and what are the advantages?

Speaker C: Yeah, maybe even too.

Speaker C: Before we talk about the Eresidency, let's talk about Estonia.

Speaker C: Estonians are super spoiled.

Speaker C: We have enjoyed these e services already from 90s.

Speaker C: Basically, it's based on our ID card, which is a digital identity, which you use for logging into all public services, also private services like banks.

Speaker C: And everybody has a unique code and the government can say whether you are you or not because you also have a pin one and a Pin two, and it's all very secure and we've done this forever.

Speaker C: When I was a student, I went to work in the United States, and when I told my friends there how we declare our taxes in Estonia for 99% of the population, the tax declaration is prefilled and you simply click, like, Forward submit.

Speaker C: And you do not even have to put anything in there because everything is already there.

Speaker C: This seemed like out of the future for a lot of people.

Speaker A: I think that would blow people's minds.

Speaker C: Yes.

Speaker C: So, basically, residency is nothing else than the extension of this digital identity that every Estonian has.

Speaker C: It's a similar kind of card, except for it doesn't function as a travel document.

Speaker C: And it's not a real residency or real visa to the country or anything like that.

Speaker C: It's just a digital ID.

Speaker C: And use this digital ID to log in to anything that the Estonian government offers online.

Speaker C: And we use a lot of these services on daily basis.

Speaker C: For example, you go to the doctor, your doctor gives you an ePrescription.

Speaker C: So you go to the pharmacy, the pharmacy gives you the medicine based on that.

Speaker C: So for us, there's a lot more.

Speaker C: But the main thing that the EResidents or those who are not living in the country can take advantage of is our paperless company management, which means that the commercial registry accessible online.

Speaker C: You log on, you start a company, it takes about 1520 minutes to go through the process, and you sign it digitally with this Eresidency card.

Speaker C: Then on your monthly reporting, the same thing works.

Speaker C: You log on to the Customs Tax and Customs Board, you fill out your declarations.

Speaker C: And that's the same way with everything that you have to do for your company.

Speaker C: There's never really a need to show up here in person.

Speaker C: In Estonia, nothing is ever filled out on paper.

Speaker C: It's quite strange for Estonians when our business partners from other countries want to fill out something on paper, or when they want us to stamp a document with ink stamp.

Speaker C: This is essentially what Eresidency offers an opportunity to start a business in Estonia, which is in the EU, and to do it completely remotely, completely paperlessly.

Speaker C: And that's a big thing for a lot of people.

Speaker A: Well, I can definitely bear witness to all of that.

Speaker A: As a Brit living in Spain, I know lots of businesses around here.

Speaker A: They still love to photocopy bits of paper and stamp them as approved by the designated authority.

Speaker A: And obviously, setting up business in Estonia is a completely different experience.

Speaker A: The rest of Europe is catching up digitally, but there's nothing to compare to that centralized experience.

Speaker C: COVID did a lot for that.

Speaker A: Yeah, definitely.

Speaker A: I think that an Estonia was a model for all of us during COVID I think to see how things could be supported in terms of continuity, so much better.

Speaker A: But for the businesses that you work with then, in terms of developing the residency scheme, what kind of support do you offer?

Speaker A: What does your day to day work look like nowadays?

Speaker C: So my team, the business development team, is responsible for three big areas of the program.

Speaker C: One is creating an ecosystem for a foreign entrepreneur or a freelancer who is starting a company in a jurisdiction that is not their own.

Speaker C: It's not your home country.

Speaker C: Obviously, that's a big step.

Speaker C: And even though Estonian public services are all available in English, all our laws are available in English, everything is quite transparent that it's still a big step to take.

Speaker C: And if you're not an English speaker, then obviously you would want somebody to speak your language.

Speaker C: Like you have an accounting question or a tax question, and you want to get serviced in your own language.

Speaker C: So we have created something called the marketplace.

Speaker C: Maybe the name is a little bit misleading, but basically it's an ecosystem of different companies and service providers that somehow contribute to running a business through Estonia.

Speaker C: So there are Estonian corporate service providers who speak different languages, who have different degrees of automated service.

Speaker C: So, for example, Solo right at one end of it, it's super automated.

Speaker C: You start the company through your interface and you invoice through this interface.

Speaker C: You do all of your company management in one place.

Speaker C: So easy, you never, ever go anywhere else.

Speaker C: And then you can get bits and pieces of it as well.

Speaker C: Like, you can get just the address service that you need to have in Estonia, or you can just get an accountant or somebody else.

Speaker C: So there's a range of different services that you can get.

Speaker C: Then obviously, the next big question is how do I do my banking or how do I receive money or how do I get money from my customers to get paid?

Speaker C: How do I get paid?

Speaker C: We make sure that we always have good partners among fintechs and banks.

Speaker C: My team is directly responsible for basically scouting all the time for different financial service providers to be able to offer this to EResidents so that they would also understand the concept of Eresidency.

Speaker C: Because it's an easy concept to understand that you could be sitting in Spain, such as, just like you, you could be sitting in Spain, be a citizen of another country and then run a business through Estonia.

Speaker C: So that's something that is comprehensible for some people, right?

Speaker C: And then also tax advice on the local side.

Speaker C: So when you are a resident of one country, you run a business in another.

Speaker C: There's cross border taxation issues that might face you.

Speaker C: And that means that we need to make sure that our marketplace has also these kinds of companies who can help you on the French side or on the Spanish side or on the, I don't know, UK side with your taxes.

Speaker C: That's the marketplace development that we do, the ecosystem development.

Speaker C: But my team is also responsible for finding partners in our target markets, so expanding the program basically in different countries, finding interesting businesses that somehow can plug this Eresidency into their services and work through those partners as well.

Speaker C: And then the third big thing that we do is finding new use cases for Eresidency, because this obvious small and medium sized entrepreneur who can take advantage of this paperless business management is just one use case for Eresidency.

Speaker C: But a digital signature could do so much more like we have in the works, for example, like discussing one copyright digital copyright management platform, for example, and some other interesting things that may grow out of this government issued digital ID, for example.

Speaker A: Definitely.

Speaker A: And it's amazing to see how that marketplace has grown and exploded since I joined the Eresidency program four years ago.

Speaker A: There just seem to be more exciting new providers in the ecosystem every month.

Speaker A: Given this diversity.

Speaker A: This might be a difficult question, but what's a typical Eresident, an Eresident business?

Speaker A: Is there such a thing?

Speaker C: That's a very good question.

Speaker C: I think I usually like to start from who are Erresidents in terms of nationality.

Speaker C: We have one big group of EResidents who are from those well established old European countries, right?

Speaker C: So we have a lot of Germans, Italians, French, Spanish people.

Speaker C: And I would say that the main reason for them to come to Estonia, become an e resident and run their companies through Estonia is because of the paper heavy and maybe like high bureaucracy levels in their own country, right?

Speaker C: Obviously there's no problem with the reputation of Germany, or if you have a German company, you're respected, right?

Speaker C: So for them, this site is not so important.

Speaker C: But then there's an other big group of entrepreneurs who are from countries outside of the EU.

Speaker C: And they sometimes need a stamp of approval in a way that they are established in the EU and they have a company here and they are taken more seriously by their partners or their clients, or they can get access to international payment solutions or ecommerce platforms or other kinds of services where they don't accept their country.

Speaker C: So they basically open a door for themselves being established in the EU with the help of Estonian residency.

Speaker C: So first, avoiding the bureaucracy and paper, and then second, opening the door to the EU.

Speaker C: What sectors or where this makes sense is that if you're doing cross border business, usually if you have a cafe or a corner store, then having any residency card does not make any sense for you, right?

Speaker C: So basically it has to be an international business, more service businesses than products, although ecommerce is a growing sector as well.

Speaker C: So in that sense it does work for physical products in certain cases.

Speaker C: We have companies who are owned by Germans, they import something from China, they sell it in Germany, but the owners live in Bali.

Speaker C: It could be something like this very cross border set up.

Speaker C: Then we have a lot of digital service providers such as web developers, designers, also some copywriters content creators, digital marketing service providers, people like that.

Speaker C: They usually serve big companies as their clients and they have to somehow invoice them and somehow be legit.

Speaker C: And that's why they choose Estonia, because it's such an easy place to do it from and nothing stops when you live in another country, for example, for a while, and you can still do everything online, which is not the case everywhere.

Speaker C: And then we see a lot of tech, I guess a lot of tech companies as well, because Estonian jurisdiction is very good for scalable startups for many reasons.

Speaker C: For example, we have made it very easy to get investments into a company.

Speaker C: You do not spend thousands on lawyers and getting everybody to the notary office together, thanks to this possibility to basically do it all digitally and online.

Speaker C: And we also have a very good legislation for giving your team members stock options in your own startup because that's a way to motivate the growing business team.

Speaker A: Yeah, especially at the moment.

Speaker A: Hiring is so competitive in the startup ecosystem.

Speaker A: That's a huge benefit, isn't it?

Speaker A: To be able to offer straightforward stock options that are really attractive to the people you're hiring.

Speaker A: So, yeah, that's great.

Speaker C: And Estonia also developed something called Startup Visa, which is also really good thing in combination with Eresidency, because you become an Eresident, you start a company in Estonia, your company can apply for the status that makes you eligible for Startup Visa.

Speaker A: Right?

Speaker C: So if your company is this kind of a scalable global company, then you're able to relocate yourself to Estonia as a founder, but you're also able to bring employees to work in Estonia on easier terms than the regular companies.

Speaker C: So in that sense, it's a really good scheme for growing companies.

Speaker C: I personally took advantage of it when I was building my startup, hiring a developer from Turkey.

Speaker C: Turkey is outside of the EU and it's actually really complicated to bring somebody from there.

Speaker C: But with the startup status, the startup visa made it super, super easy to bring him to work in Estonia.

Speaker C: And he still lives in Estonia.

Speaker A: Brilliant.

Speaker A: That's lovely.

Speaker A: And it means people can then take advantage of the remote work visa and all sorts of things to really tap into that.

Speaker A: It seems like this amazing crucible of startup ingenuity from a small country that's launched so many unicorn success stories to the world.

Speaker A: So there must be something very special about physically being around that vibe as well.

Speaker C: Oh, definitely.

Speaker A: That irresidentcy makes possible the ecosystem.

Speaker C: The ecosystem is what's really valuable, I think, here, because I think there's this sense of pride, small country and everybody wants to have some kind of a part in this success story.

Speaker C: So we are helping each other, we are connecting you with the people you need to know in Estonia.

Speaker C: Like, I met one key resident who was a Mexican startup founder who had arrived in Estonia a few weeks before I met him and he already knew all the key people from the local ecosystem by the time I met him.

Speaker C: So it was just amazing how you move through this small community and everybody introduces you to the next person.

Speaker C: You get all the advice and all the experience that you want to learn about very easily, rather than somewhere where not everybody knows everybody well.

Speaker A: There's more of a sense of competition rather than this kind of collaboration and mutual support that Estonia seems to surface all the time.

Speaker A: It's really quite an amazing thing to be part of, even at a distance.

Speaker A: I wonder, do you have many people from the UK post Brexit who are wanting to keep a foothold in the UK in the EU despite being in the UK?

Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's more and more of a topic from what I know.

Speaker C: I've been talking to different organizations in the UK and due to the way the current trade agreement is done, the UK entrepreneurs are looking for a way to have an EU entity to continue doing cross border business in a more adventurous way.

Speaker C: And it's actually interesting that other countries have also obviously discovered this, that Holland is marketing themselves quite heavily to the UK entrepreneurs as well as a place to establish in the EU.

Speaker C: So we do see that a lot.

Speaker C: And Estonia may not be as well known in the UK as maybe some other countries, but we're definitely doing our best to also spread the word there.

Speaker A: Absolutely.

Speaker A: Well, this is probably a good moment then to talk about how the whole digital identity movement is taking hold globally and Estonia was clearly the first people doing it.

Speaker A: I mean, you've been doing it since the 90s for your own residents, and you are the most digitally enabled country.

Speaker A: But in terms of the other Eresidency type options you've seen emerging, what differentiates Estonia still and why should people come here first?

Speaker C: Well, obviously, we keep an eye on all the programs that are popping up everywhere.

Speaker C: Each country has their own sort of strategic goals, right?

Speaker C: For example, Portugal is very much about bringing people to live.

Speaker C: Yes.

Speaker A: They want the digital nomads to come exactly.

Speaker C: Because they are losing population and they want people to move there.

Speaker C: So each country has their own separate aim with this kind of a program.

Speaker C: Either it's some kind of a special visa program or whether it's like an e residency type scheme.

Speaker C: Here in Estonia, we don't care if you come here or not.

Speaker C: We actually let you have your business in your own country, even if you.

Speaker A: Never set foot in Estonia.

Speaker A: Though I do recommend visiting Estonia when you get the chance.

Speaker A: But I can confirm that you don't have to.

Speaker A: And I haven't been well, I haven't been to Estonia since before COVID So it proves you don't need to go.

Speaker C: Yeah, and I guess COVID also gave a really good push to a lot of countries to start developing this kind of digital ID, in the sense that you see that if you have to close down the whole country, then how do you maintain certain relationships with your citizens?

Speaker C: So it's like, how can they get the services from the government that they need?

Speaker C: So many countries started developing these kinds of digital IDs with COVID which I think is a really good thing, because I guess it's becoming like a norm that you have to have this right.

Speaker C: Lithuania recently launched their Eresidency program.

Speaker C: I can say that it's a little bit more difficult to get it because you have to visit Lithuania twice, for example, to become a new resident of Lithuania.

Speaker C: Different programs have their pros and cons.

Speaker C: And I think for us, we look at it not like, oh, we get a new competitor, but we look at it like, let's see how they do it and what they do compare and see where the potential for developing what we do even further lies.

Speaker C: Because obviously, we need to keep up with the competition.

Speaker C: And it's something that we cannot ignore that other countries are doing this as well.

Speaker A: I suppose it's a bit like Solo's position in the marketplace that it is very much part of a movement and an ecosystem as it develops through the world.

Speaker A: You start to see the differentiation of different providers and different schemes, and people will be able to choose what's right for them when they understand clearly what their needs are.

Speaker A: So I know that the Estonian e residency program has been differentiating themselves by moving into different markets and opening new pickup points for the ID cards.

Speaker A: Last year.

Speaker A: Can you tell me about what kind of events and outreach you have on the horizon for 2022?

Speaker A: What's coming up?

Speaker C: So, yeah, last year we had this.

Speaker C: It was a big news for us because the Eresidency cards can be picked up from our embassies.

Speaker C: And as a small country, obviously we do not have embassies in every country in the world, although E residents do come from, like, 180 countries in the world.

Speaker C: Somehow they found us.

Speaker C: But we opened four really far away locations for ourselves with the help of an external partner, including Brazil, South Africa, Singapore and Thailand.

Speaker C: And it's been really interesting to see how Brazil has had really good response because Brazilians, obviously it's a huge population and they have, even before opening the pickup location, somehow found their way into the residency program.

Speaker C: Either they have gone to the United States or they have gone to Europe to pick up their cards.

Speaker C: But there are Brazilians already, like, before the pickup locations open there.

Speaker C: So we've done different events.

Speaker C: Some markets are a little bit, like, further, I think, than the others.

Speaker C: Brazil probably has had the most success for now.

Speaker C: This 2022, we are going to be present in several really big tech conferences in Europe.

Speaker C: If some of the listeners have a chance to join us, we're going to.

Speaker A: Be face to face.

Speaker A: Events are coming back, people.

Speaker A: It's really nice to see people again.

Speaker A: It's great to be able to communicate like this and collaborate then.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think it'd be great if you're in.

Speaker A: So which events are you going to be at?

Speaker A: People want to come and meet Eresidency.

Speaker C: So, for instance, in May, obviously, we have the flagship startup conference in Estonia, latitude 59, which will bring an international audience here as well.

Speaker C: But then in June, we'll be in London Tech Week.

Speaker C: We will also be in South Summit in Spain.

Speaker C: And then in the fall, we have planned bits and pretzels where we do a pretty big thing.

Speaker C: I'm going to keep it a secret for now.

Speaker C: Who do we have on stage there?

Speaker A: Well, you'll have to come back and tell us about that in the autumn once you're allowed to share a little bit more.

Speaker A: So it looks like it's going to just keep expanding.

Speaker A: Eresidency, do you have sort of specific targets?

Speaker A: Are there numbers that you're hoping to achieve or at what point will there be more EResidents than Estonian residents, I wonder?

Speaker C: Not next year.

Speaker A: Not next year.

Speaker C: Okay, yet.

Speaker C: But Eresidence will become the second biggest city in Estonia.

Speaker A: Wow.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker C: Passing Tarto.

Speaker C: That's definitely happened this year.

Speaker C: We have set our targets in a way that we hope to achieve a certain percentage of growth in the markets where we have proactive marketing and business development activities.

Speaker C: So we have set our goals, like, to certain markets that we want to achieve growth from these markets.

Speaker C: And then we are also basically, like, going more deeper into a country so that we find more specific use cases in each country.

Speaker C: What we want to do is that we want to understand the needs of certain sectors and segments a little bit better.

Speaker C: So we're testing this this year with Germany and Spain and a little bit later in the fall, also with UK.

Speaker C: To understand whether within our sort of broad techie, 35 year old, usually male digital entrepreneur, whether there are other segments on the side of this typical segment and go really deeply into these to understand where they get their news from, what are their pain points, and really talk to them more with our marketing and other things as well.

Speaker A: Yeah, so getting away from maybe the typically a resident, if you had to point to a tech entrepreneur or a digital nomad or somebody to support different kinds of business use cases, well, it's.

Speaker C: Our bread and butter still.

Speaker A: Yes, fair enough.

Speaker A: And it's great.

Speaker A: It's kind of obvious if you have a service provider business that operates globally that you need a framework like this.

Speaker A: I suppose it's trying to reach people for whom the use case might be a little less obvious, but could still be a really excellent fit.

Speaker A: I hope we'll reach some of those people with this podcast and start to we're going to be talking to lots of different new residents and telling their stories, which we hope will bring to life some of the alternative lifestyles, backgrounds, approaches, businesses and goals that people can bring to the table.

Speaker A: So I hope it's going to be.

Speaker C: Exciting and these stories are super inspiring.

Speaker A: Yeah, we've got some amazing people lined up already, even for these opening few episodes and we've got lots more planned for later in the year because as you said at the start, it is an ecosystem and there is this sense of everybody wanting to support and lift each other up, which is really refreshing in business.

Speaker A: I think many aspects of business are so competitive, but the startup scene in Estonia is like a breath of fresh air that there is this mutual support going forward.

Speaker A: So if people want to know more about the kind of events you're doing and how to keep in touch with you, what's the best way for them to do that?

Speaker A: Is there somewhere people could sign up to get more information?

Speaker C: Yeah, we have a really good newsletter that comes out every month where we talk about the events where we will be going to and also different campaigns that are going on with one of our service providers or other kinds of news, what we have made better in the product or basically everything that you need to know about the residency.

Speaker C: So if you sign up to the newsletter, then that's one really good channel.

Speaker C: Obviously, social media is another way to keep in touch with us on our own website.

Speaker C: Eresident Gov is something called event calendar, so that would have all of the main events where either we'll be attending or that we are organizing ourselves and they are in different languages.

Speaker C: There's going to be an event this Thursday to Ukrainian entrepreneurs who have relocated, and we can offer them right now, Eresidency for free with reimbursement from different service providers.

Speaker C: Also has joined our campaign for this.

Speaker C: There's different things going on and we are really transparent and open with everything that we do.

Speaker C: So we share a lot and keep everybody posted.

Speaker A: Fantastic.

Speaker A: Now that's brilliant.

Speaker A: The Ukrainian angle.

Speaker A: And I know that Estonia, maybe simply because of the size and the digital background to Estonia as an ecosystem, as an infrastructure, seemed to respond really quickly to offering those services to Ukrainians as they started to have to very sadly flee their home country.

Speaker A: I think it's amazing that people can take that digital identity with them if they're already an Eresident or they can quickly access a new digital home.

Speaker A: It's not the same as when you have to leave your physical home.

Speaker A: And I know that the Eresidency doesn't confer any nationality, but I think it must be a certain amount of comfort to people on the move if they at least have that digital identity that they can take with them, even if they don't know when they're going to be able to return home or where they will end up settling.

Speaker A: So that's another thing that Eresidency has really offered to Europe and to people globally.

Speaker A: I think that's really exciting to be involved with.

Speaker A: Is there anything else you'd like to share with us about the program coming up?

Speaker A: Anything you would like potentially residents, if somebody's listened to this so far and they're thinking, I really want to know if this is for me, and I'm going to find out more.

Speaker A: What will be your final words of wisdom to those curious people?

Speaker C: Yeah, so there's definitely also a community of entrepreneurs, and EResidents are a really inspiring venture people and they have their own little organization that's called Erica, which is with two E's that is a representative NGO for EResidents.

Speaker C: And the community itself is organizing events sometimes that are worth checking out in different cities.

Speaker C: They have little meetups of digital nomads wherever there's an active community member on Spot.

Speaker C: And then we also have a community manager here in our team who actually organizes events in other countries, but also in Estonia, because Ericidents sometimes come to live in Estonia.

Speaker C: And there is a good number of active community members here in Thailand as well who to meet and come and ask questions from at one of these events, even if you're not an Eritident yet, or just like kind of flirting with the idea.

Speaker C: So it's worth to come to one of our events and talk to other EResidents as well.

Speaker C: And then every month we run a regular Q and A session where we answer questions with the team.

Speaker C: Sometimes I'm present.

Speaker C: Sometimes?

Speaker C: Somebody else is present and we run through the main facts and also take both registration questions and live questions at the same time and really go really quickly through some of the main facts on your residency.

Speaker A: Brilliant.

Speaker A: Okay, well, it sounds like a really comprehensive support network that really will help people from their initial curiosity about maybe launching a business without borders to right through to their growth and their funding and the social support that you need in order to thrive in business.

Speaker A: That really is an excellent overview of the Estonian Eresidency program.

Speaker A: So thank you so much, Ulana, for joining us on The Futurist Freelance Show, and I look forward to having you back later in the year to tell us more about the events you have coming up in the autumn.

Speaker A: Thanks so much and bye for now.

Speaker C: Thank you so much.

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